Whats your view on liberalism?

liberalism and free thinking are becoming a trend. its scary. but its better than conservatism....

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Date Created: 07.10.08

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Papajack55

What that means DW by "who truly rules the USA," is the Bilderberg Group, regardless of what 'your friend may say to you about it not being so.(That is, if you even asked him) That's why when the Group gives a thumbs up to a candidate, he's in, a thumbs down, more times than not he/she may not even finish candidacy to the general election.

That's why I don't embrace anything until I research, read, learn, and find out first hand what this or that is about first hand.

 
Papajack55

If you truly believe that humanity has almost reached the peak of its scientific and spiritual fulfillment and that the corporate-owned mass media is keeping you well enough informed, stop here.

But if you are one of those millions who look at the daily news, scratch your head in wonder, and ask, "What in the world is going on?," or if you entertain questions of who we are, where we came from, and where we're all going, you are in for a joy ride.

This book deals with the secrets of government, hidden history, and clandestine religion; the secrets of wealth, power, and control; the secrets rarely recorded in the history books and never mentioned in the mass media. This material may be disturbing and unsettling to some. But no one has ever gained wisdom by studying material that only reinforced their own predetermined ideas.

Addressed here will be issues many would have us believe occupy only the fringe of knowledge. But how often have fringe issues suddenly become areas of major concern? Older readers might recall that irritating but seemingly inconsequential German radical who gained power in Europe in the 1930s. Then there was that small conflict halfway around the world in an obscure place called Vietnam. Or we might remember that little-noticed burglary of Democratic Party headquarters in 1972.

The book also deals with conspiracy, an activity long decried by the major media despite the fact that the American judicial system regularly convicts people for criminal conspiracy.

Do secret societies truly exist? Is there really a secret government? Is there a worldwide conspiracy bent on the subversion of freedom and democracy? Or is such talk just the irrational ramblings of "conspiracy theorists"?

The answer all depends to whom you choose to listen. And too many people writing about conspiracy--on both sides of the question--have their own particular agenda. It is time we step back and take the broader view of our world and its history.

As the new millennium begins, the American public is becoming more aware of one not-so-secret conspiracy: that for half the year they work for the. Government. About the first six months of any given year is spent making money which disappears into taxes before the worker even gets his or her check. Withholding this invisible tax money has, over the years, caused most citizens to forget just how much tax burden they really carry. And this is not to even mention the daily sales, state, city, and other taxes which openly burden us. The simple British tax on tea said to have precipitated the American Revolution was a pittance by comparison.

Despite assurances of a healthy economy by the skewed statistics of the mass media and politicians, polls indicate the public feel an increasing uneasiness about the direction of our national life.

This may be why more and more thoughtful people are taking a serious look at conspiracies and the secret groups that spawn them. The Internet is filled with Web sites and chat rooms where conspiracy is the watchword. More and more books and periodicals are being published filled with conspiracies ranging from the secrets of the Crusaders to the JFK assassination.

Yet despite the length and breadth of the Information Highway, the average American remains woefully ignorant. That is not to imply they are stupid or mentally challenged. They have simply not been exposed to the information now available. Many thoughtful, educated people in a variety of fields--physicians, lawyers, computer experts, stock brokers, accountants, bankers, merchants, scientists, teachers, etc. --are totally in the dark about a wide variety of issues and the connections between them concerning who truly rules the United States.

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Papajack55

Pres. Bush did in fact have a meeting with a respresentative from the Bilderberg Group in March of 2001. That is documented. The USA does any and everything the Group asks and/or says, regardless. If Bush had have went into Iraq in March of 2001, we wouldn't be where we're at right now, but, here we are. Now, for the facts:
1) Bin Laden's family were flown out on 9/11 when there were no air traffic, and it came to a halt. Why allow them out?
2) The meeting Bush had with the Bilderberg Rep. was about Iraq through Afghanistan, and that's not "conspiracy theory," that's reality. Why didn't we go into the country where the terrorists came from instead?

 
DWLyle

In very specific terms, with citations, prove this claim:

"Well, 9/11 happened, and the rest is history. We were pawns in the Bilderberg group's game of chess, as were the terrorists also, as they were paid to do what they did. bin Laden, Saudi Arabia was given a large amount to act innocent, yet we all know better, at least I do."

Even more refined, show me that the Bilderberg Group paid the terrorists to fly those planes on 9/11. Show me what convinced you of that. Don't just make a claim and insist it be taken as gospel. Give me some proof, win me over, don't just keep repeating your claim.

 
DWLyle

I know all this, Papajack, and my position is exactly the same. It's conspiracy malarkey. You would have to prove your claims, which you can't, unless you cite sources of questionable veracity. And as said before, A fellow I worked for for 10 years is in this Bilderberg Group.

My next to last word on this is that, just because the meeting is private does not mean that there is something hairy going on. It's painfully naive to just embrace these conspiracy theories.

I'm more concerned about Dick Cheney meeting in the White House with a bunch of oil people several years ago. The White House doesn't want you to know who was at that meeting. Getting that revealed will take years, through the courts.

I recommend focusing on one conspiratorial act and working to make a case for that. Conspiracy people have the luxury of "filling in" everything they do not know with stuff that backs up their case. That won't work with me.

You're against the Bilderberg Group, in my view, because it's easier, on many levels.

 
daywalk3r

It seems you don't understand. No they don't clean or cook anything. That's the problem.:( I'd be okay with them if they did anything at all. But sitting at home is fair enough for them. Education? Haha. If we separate them, we are racists, otherwise they don't want that education, just like they don't want to work. And our country is absolutely not rich, we have a huge debt towards the USA and its amount is only growing. Noone can do anything to stop it, so politicians just secure their jobs. That's no bullshit, dude, that's how it goes here.

 
Papajack55

You want to know how influential the Bilderberg Group really is, DW? Here is why 9/11 really happened:

In March of 2001, Pres. Bush met w/ a Rep. of the Group and was explained to that a country (ours) needed to go into "Iraq via Afghanistan." Pres. Bush told them we had no reason to do so, niether the call to war to do so.
Well, 9/11 happened, and the rest is history. We were pawns in the Bilderberg group's game of chess, as were the terrorists also, as they were paid to do what they did. bin Laden, Saudi Arabia was given a large amount to act innocent, yet we all know better, at least I do.

There are things about the Group that are hidden from you and I, that I can access only a tad bit of it, but not very much, but just enough to see what they're really about. Now, do you see what I'm talking about and why I'm against the Bilderberg Group?

 
Papajack55

Yes, DW, in the meetings at the Bilderberg Group, they discuss what countries will go where, financial matters, the World Bank(which they have their hands in) the UN(which they say how to run) notice how they disappeared when the oil for food program scam was found out? They discuss wars, who will fight where, and who gets what. Remember the "gas shortage" in the 1970s, DW? There was no shortage. Our reserves were full, they were ordered not to send gas to the pumps or stations. Know why? For every dollar we sell in gas, they get a .07 tariff. What that tariff is for, no one knows. It goes straight into their account. Ever wonder how they became the richest group in the world without any liabilities? Worth more than the US and Russia combined? I know two people in the Bilderberg Group, and they aren't too happy about their hidden agenda. One of the people in the group is the CEO of the Coca Cola Co..

 
Papajack55

DW, do you have any idea who founded the Bilderberg Group at all? Where his origins are originally before he married into Dutch Royalty? Like WWII Germany as an aid to the people who helped found the "Final Resolution?"
Now, all they'll say is, it's only for the better of Mankind? You really want to listen to a group founded by a Nazi? Seriously? I don't say anything like that unless I research it first.
Yes, Prince Bernard founded the Group in the early 1950s' after he married into the Dutch Royal Family. Before that, in 1945, he escaped Germany with the help of the Catholic Church through the I believe 'Bavarian Passage?' Don't quote me on that one.