Smart and Funny Women Battle
Poehler vs. Fey
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- DWLyle
- Date Created: 04.10.08
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You're not pathetic. You're pretty funny. And I'm more of a douche than any man ought to be.
I hope you get the play produced.
Read " The Day the Whores Came out to Play Tennis" by Arthur Kopit. Interesting study in misogyny.
I'm sure you are an earnest playwright. No beef with that.
Still think you're wrong about talent. I think the term belongs most in the academic realm. Some of the greatest artists have achieved against everyone else's expectations. In "Bird" Charlie Parker doesn't wow them at the first open mike; in fact, it's embarrassing.
I think John Guare has a keen perspective on talent in "Six Degrees..", and might be a better playwright than Mamet. Certainly "Atlantic City" was better than anything DM has done.
Jane Lynch, Parker Posey, Laurie Metcalf. Never heard them called talented, and yet everything they do is good.
I have heard people in some level of production say "women are n't funny" and then say they like AP and TF. Bill O'Reilly said he thought Janeane Garofalo was "cute" after a political debate.
In 1985 it sounded like "I'm not racist, I like the Cosby show." Today, it is "I appreciate women, I like AP." Opinion.
Nope. Way off. No good.
Jesus, I'm just stunned that anyone would think I like Margaret Cho...I hate her so much that it worries me a bit. As for my exciting and fucking mega-sexy facial hair, it's gone. Thanks to people like you who lack the imagination and adventurous spirit of proper mustache appreciation, it's gone.
As for the rest of it, you're so far off. Perhaps only interesting to me and perhaps PopFem, but I love the theatre AND live music. Shit, I've written a play. Unproduced, but that indicates an interest. I don't really know anyone who doesn't like the theatre. My gf is a local reporter, and I have yet to say "no" to going to a play, from Albee to Mamet to no-names, I go. And you mentioned Mamet, of who I am a fan, but it looks like you've pretty much dedicated your life to acting like a character in a Mamet play. Trying to capture some essence there, but again, failure. I'll bet you've been "deferring" to Mamet ever since you saw, what, Glengarry Glenn Ross? Or did you win tickets to see one of his plays from a radio station and it changed your life?
No, I didn't queef that last comment, it was a genuine criticism. But good one, Cunty! And I'm open to the possibility that I may be pathetic, but if I am, you're just a cunt, mainly for mentioning Jane Lynch.
I'm really not gay. Really. Just not. Do you want me to be gay? Would that make life easier on you?
OK, it's time for you to go somewhere and take on those 16 year old Facebook "whores." You iconoclast! A sentiment that indicates you're 16 and were recently dumped, or you're a pedophile. I'm still thinking misogynist, but not because of Psych 101. I've been in the nuthouse many times. Also perhaps a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. But let's not label. First, therapy. And then by god we'll get you to a better playwright than Mamet for Heaven's sake.
I think I'll defer to Mamet who said " in all my years of theater and show business, I have never understood the term "talent" and I don't care. It seems to be the preoccupation of the amateurs." He goes on to say that some actors' talent is to appear talented.
You're not gay? Is your mustache aware of this?
You're not pseudo-intellectual? Sans? Patina? The vibe I get from you is that you watch SNL with the laptop nearby to weigh in on the hilarity. You fancy yourself this special hybrid of critic and not-quite-viewer. Just so damn special.
Right. Talent does apply. But if the person is really achieved it's moot, you avisceral, namby-pamby slag.
Your entertainment value in anything that requires really putting your balls out there could be likened to watching Mormons dance.
I suspect you haven't delved too much in theater, live music or production. Just blogging and general douchery.
Your vibe about misogyny is "priceless." Don't know why I wrote it, thought I give it a try and now I have the urge to grow a Adolph Menjou mustache and start some wacky blogs of mine own.
That's right. Vibe. You're so earnest. Lover of humanity and Margaret Cho. You have such courage. "Smart and funny" women. Hmm. I think people who've actually worked with women actors would be offended by your using those two as the standard-bearers: Thank you, DW. But I think women entertainers will be fine without your support.
I'm sure you took Psych 101, maybe...right? What is it that's said about those who "doth protest too much?" Claims of misogyny, AP-loving and verbal tit-twisting? Okay, if you say you're straight.
Keep pluggin'. Did you actually type that last comment of "I was only doing what you were doing, but you were mean and thought you were better", or was that queefed out your cunt?
Seems I was spot on. As for you, I don't have a Netflix account, but am fond of TCM. And I'm sure I don't think I'm the arbiter of good taste. I'm just trying to keep you talking so you'll continue your list of who you consider to be talented, that was fascinating. The fact that you later criticized someone else (just happened to be me) for having delusions about being an "arbiter of good taste" is just priceless.
Consider the possibility that I was expressing an opinion. Much like...well, you.
Other than that, you're just guilty of thinking you have a firmer grasp on the definition of "talented." You'll find that "talented" can be used for someone in the beginning, middle and/or end of his or her career.
I didn't call you a misogynist because of your dislike of Amy Poehler. Why would I do that? I'm just getting that vibe from you. I thought that was the game you wanted to play, the "Hannibal Lecter I can figure you out entirely based on just a few facts" game. That's a game that pseudo-intellectuals like to play. Dropping references doesn't make you intelligent or a "true" arbiter of good taste, regardless of what Dennis Miller told you. But if you're looking for people here to reinforce your self-delusions, it won't happen. Save it for friends and family, please.
So feel free to mock me for having opinions, after you've expressed so many.
And while you're at it, write barbs at me while making fun of me for writing barbs at you.
You know what we should do now? Compare how long we took to write these little posts. The one who took less time wins! Sound like fun, Cunty?
Okay, in case you all missed it...
DWLyle likes movies. He may even own a copy of "Now, Voyager" with Bette Davis. With each movie he gobbles from TCM or by recommendation from Netflix, he sinks deeper and deeper into this conviction that he is the arbiter of good taste; he could, in a different time, be William Wyler. His list of movies "he loves" is self-consciously eclectic and has earned him, if not artistic success in this unappreciative culture, carte blanche to be an absolute douche.
"Cunt" I get it. I have BBC America,too. When confronted by the same sort of derision he offers others, which he considers his best trait- his cleverness- he can only reply that they are not "nearly as clever as they think." What he really means is: You are not nearly as clever as I hope to be...I think. The former presupposes that he takes enough time to consider what others feel and think...a task I doubt he has time to fit in while doing re-writes on his next barb.
As far as Larry David goes, "Sour Grapes" was an awful movie. I assure you that had David not created the other shows, this tidbit would be an even more boring footnote than it was a point. I'm sure Johnny Carson was called talented...back at the college radio station in Nebraska.
Misogynist? Yes. That's it. By loving AP's talent you have achieved enlightenment. Speaking of pseudo-intellectualism, have you seen Upright Citizen's Brigade? Shot of truth serum, perhaps. These "writers" who believe their adoration of AP et al is a telltale of their love of women , would in fact have a great deal of difficulty dealing with truly talented women, women who grind it out as performers, like Jane Lynch (quick: IMDB).
Great work, DW. Keep socking it to the Harper Valley PTA.
Consider the possibility that I think she's talented based on watching SNL faithfully every week. That I'm not "gay," or even gay, and that it may be an honest opinion of her. You've taken a stab at defining me and you're way off. Let me take a stab at you...you're not NEARLY as clever as you think you are and most likely a misogynist, as well. The patina of a pseudo-intellectual hangs around you like an aura. I'm guessing that you attack popular culture with a bitter disdain as often as possible. You're addicted to the notion that being critical is the same as thinking critically.
And if I'm not gay, does that mean your whole analysis is for shit?
Larry David, the creator and often a writer for Seinfeld, wrote "Sour Grapes," a terrible movie. Many great actors and comedians never appeared in a half-decent movie. Johnny Carson was never in a movie at all, unless it was a cameo, does that mean he wasn't talented? Or at the very least, funny as hell?
Amy Poehler and Tina Fey are talented and funny as hell. "Talented" here implies that they are effortlessly good at what they do, and that's probably unfair. They both almost certainly work hard.
As a rule, people don't use the word "talented" for really talented people. "Eric Clapton is so talented" " Roy Jones, Jr is talented". Doesn't work. Moot. It implies potential. Kinda odd to refer to the 35 year old fledgling QB as talented. Who gives a fuck? When am I going to see this talent come to fruition? "Baby Mama?"
Union jobs are good. In fact, I have one. And I've lived in rough neighborhoods and didn't own a car until I was almost 30.
Yes, you might be a cunt if you like Amy Poehler. And, I'd imagine gay with rather morbid fixations.
A union job delivering Yoohoo and an above ground pool is nothing at which to sneeze. I live in a poor neighborhood on a small income and don't own a car AND I think Poehler is talented and funny. I guess I'm a real cunt, eh?
Amy Poehler should be making life difficult for the PTA somewhere in Connecticut. She sucks. Not a performer. She really impresses them up in Burlington, Mass...that said, an above-ground pool and a job delivering Yoohoo ( Union job) impresses them.
Fake. Calculating. Got in on the support of gay men with vagina envy (She's sooo talented) and 16 year old myspace whores looking for an idol.
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